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Post subject: Palace Planet doing better then expected?
 Posted: Apr 19, 2006 - 09:35 AM
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So I got home to find Palace Planet had exceeded its allocated bandwidth, it used up all the bandwidth I had set for the month of April. (8GB)
Good news in a way, not so good news for whomever tried to find info on the site at the time 
But all is sorted, PalacePlanet now has DOUBLE the bandwidth, with any luck we will not have to expand this for at least another month 
More info on Palace Planet statistics for those who are intrested can be found here:
http://www.palaceplanet.net/stats.html
The counting starts on March 6 2006 when the site moved to this new server. And do NOT include any statistics for the Manuals section.
The Palace Planet website has been online since June 24 2000. |
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Posted: Apr 19, 2006 - 06:06 PM
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Posted: Apr 20, 2006 - 10:06 PM
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That's one drawback of Nuke sites. Someone can reload a page constanstly and the stats consider those as page hits. Postnuke and PHP-Nuke needs a Unique Hits module like some other CMS's. Only count the ip address once per visit.
But it's not the HITS that count, it's what the visitors do at the site, right?  |
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Posted: Apr 21, 2006 - 03:24 AM
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You said it: it is definately not the hits that count.
Thats why the manuals are in plain html, speed is more important.
But to be honest I don't think there are people just reloading this site for the hitcount.
However the stats are a nice indication and not that far of from the stats on the server. A few months ago traffic was half of what it is now, spring must be in the air
Now with any luck we will get more volunteers that are ready to help out with the site  |
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Posted: Apr 21, 2006 - 02:56 PM
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| bandwidth doesn't lie...well if it does, that might be a legal matter, haha |
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Posted: Apr 22, 2006 - 11:29 AM
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Reloading pages and images is what takes up bandwidth. That's how those hackers also take down sites. Not only do they try and find loop holes in the scripts that you use, but they can use a program themselves. So you cannot count out the constant visits of ONE USER to not only have your stats skyrise but to also exceed the bandwidth.
I'm not saying that's the case of Palace Planet. In fact, I've downloaded a lot from here myself and find it very useful and I'm sure others are the same way.
Just don't count it out as a possibility.
And good job on adding more bandwidth. The more the merrier I say. |
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Posted: Apr 22, 2006 - 12:15 PM
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| perry_twin wrote: | | So you cannot count out the constant visits of ONE USER to not only have your stats skyrise but to also exceed the bandwidth. |
Sure I can, like I said its a nice indication, for real statistics i check my server stats. they say pretty much the same thing. The Toplist is also a very exact indicator, it has a brilliant anti-cheat. According to my webstats however it only counts half
To be honest I never even checked stats etc. until very recently because it says nothing about the quality of the site or the info on it.
It is nice to know that my work is appreciated afterall I have been on this site pretty much every day for 5 years.
| Quote: | I'm not saying that's the case of Palace Planet. In fact, I've downloaded a lot from here myself and find it very useful and I'm sure others are the same way.
Just don't count it out as a possibility.
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Glad you could find some usefull stuff, I checked the downloads and I'm shocked. So many people still downloading and registering. When we did the Reginal code Wake and Solidarity events in 2000 we where sure Palace would be dead in 2003. (http://wake.palaceplanet.net
And for what its possible or not: I'm afraid I found out whats possible on/with/under/over/through this site in more ways then you can imagine
I guess people like to break things when they look official and forget this is just one guy obessing, looking for help (Bo00o0ohoo0o0)
| Quote: | | And good job on adding more bandwidth. The more the merrier I say. |
Woohoo! Now all we need is more crazy people willing to help others
Anyone intrested in re-writing parts of the manuals? Some of the text is so old and stuffy we need to pimp it up or something. |
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Posted: Apr 23, 2006 - 02:21 AM
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| Don't have the time or patience with the manuals, but with what you have already, maybe more visuals to go with the text. People love pictures. |
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Posted: Apr 23, 2006 - 02:32 AM
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| maarten wrote: | | Sure I can, like I said its a nice indication, for real statistics i check my server stats. they say pretty much the same thing. The Toplist is also a very exact indicator, it has a brilliant anti-cheat. According to my webstats however it only counts half |
I asked on the postnuke forums. They said, stats modules cannot be considered "accurate". Web servers are the most accurate, but there's no module for that yet.
I tested your TopList. I found a way to increase the "in" and "out" number by cheating, lol.
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To be honest I never even checked stats etc. until very recently because it says nothing about the quality of the site or the info on it.
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Most resource sites should take that quote into consideration! Very well said!
| maarten wrote: | | It is nice to know that my work is appreciated afterall I have been on this site pretty much every day for 5 years. |
That makes you old.
| maarten wrote: | | Glad you could find some usefull stuff, I checked the downloads and I'm shocked. So many people still downloading and registering. When we did the Reginal code Wake and Solidarity events in 2000 we where sure Palace would be dead in 2003. |
I'm still backtrack reading the forums. I think that needs cleaning, too. I think if you get rid of all the negativity between the users (given and received), it would be more enjoyable. A lot threads I see flaming going on and posts deleted to make some look like they're talking about who knows what. Just my opinion. Otherwise, the forums are already very useful.
| maarten wrote: | Woohoo! Now all we need is more crazy people willing to help others
Anyone intrested in re-writing parts of the manuals? Some of the text is so old and stuffy we need to pimp it up or something. |
See my post above. |
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Posted: Apr 23, 2006 - 03:46 AM
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| Quote: | I'm still backtrack reading the forums. I think that needs cleaning, too. I think if you get rid of all the negativity between the users (given and received), it would be more enjoyable. A lot threads I see flaming going on and posts deleted to make some look like they're talking about who knows what. Just my opinion. Otherwise, the forums are already very useful.
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Yah there was a small time period that it got pretty brutal, but thats all tooken care of now . Its a pretty good idea to maybe do something about cleaning some of that up. I don't know about maarts opinion on this. |
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Posted: Apr 23, 2006 - 04:13 AM
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Not sure why you want to spend time researching things for me i already know Like I said for real statistics i check my server stats statistics you can't see, if you want a printout let me know. And thanks for the efford anyway its very sweet of you lol
| perry_twin wrote: | | Don't have the time or patience with the manuals, but with what you have already, maybe more visuals to go with the text. People love pictures. |
thats exactly what I said to the palaceplanet volunteer group the other day when I finished with the texts: more pics. Its a bit of a joke to have a "Visual" chat explained in long boring texts.
But its a lot of work, re-vamping the site the way you see it now checking every detail already took two weeks.
Hey how about this: you start sending me printscreens of stuff you think tells the story better, we can start with filling this page:
http://www.palaceplanet.net/manuals/guides/whatisthepalace.htm
So go for it, you seem to be ready to research stats now lets turn that into something I can use
| Quote: | | That makes you old. |
lol years of hard work never made anyone old.
Funny enought today is my birthday. And guess what I've been on Palace for more then 10 years now. That would make me like.. born just before the egyptians finished the first pyramid... right?
And yes I know about the toplist.
Now try to vote a million times for Palace Planet see if you can do that
| Quote: | | Its a pretty good idea to maybe do something about cleaning some of that up. I don't know about maarts opinion on this. |
Not sure, I always forget negative stuff can you give me an example? Or i can just let you moderate it if you want But I have always believed you should either delete the whole discussion or keep it the way it was. But i'm curious to see the ones you meant.
Not sure about the deleting, People can edit stuff later there is no time limit on that so who knows? And i don't delete other posts without deleting my own/the other posts. |
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Posted: Apr 24, 2006 - 12:57 PM
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Stupid question, does Palace Planet have a Palace? Good visuals can come from that if so. And it would fit into everything else here.
More like two hours on the stars checking, or less. I did it to make a point. Most websites come across as because they have a lot of hits, it makes their site a cool one and that's far from the truth with bots and hackers these days. I saw a site in the past where the hit count was over 1,000,000 in a week so they gloated about it. But if you sat back and looked at the whole picture, they had very little activity on the site. It too was a CMS site. Not a nuke site, though. Anyway, they forced you to register to download and do other stuff on there. You couldn't do much as a guest. Well, to make a long story short, after registering you could see the memberlist, download count, weblinks hits, and so forth like you can here without registering. 25 members total. That's all they had and they had over a mil hitcount in a week. I'm guessing either they upped it themselves or they had a little help. Webmasters need to turn away from the style of my site has hundreds of hits so it's more popular than so and so's. Focus on content. But anyway, you were sliding that way. And with Palace Planet being a good site, I'd hate to see it become a hitcount competition with the other palace sites out there.
I think The Soap Box is the one that is in need of cleaning. Debates are awesome because you get to see points of view, but when others cannot play nice and start the name calling and whining, it becomes a turn off.
I'd be happy to help you monitor stuff on here, but to redo, upgrade, enhance, and so forth, it comes to much time consuming for me right now. I have a full time job where I deal with the public. I come home to sit and relax and do some reading. I've even taken time actually find a good palace to sit at and have a conversation or two with others. And I use your PC 3.6 Client, much better than the 3.5. |
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Posted: May 04, 2006 - 03:34 AM
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Thats cool, this site is fab man, i love it. The new look is great and it loads a lot faster.
perry: i dunno why you come to explain the webmaster how his site works. Maybe next time you take your frustrations to the site you have a problem with? Kinda lame to lecture here when this site has nothing to do with your probs.
maart i'll send you some printscreens of stuff, palaceplanet rules! |
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Posted: May 04, 2006 - 09:27 AM
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| It's actually called a critique and it seems you're the only one who took offense to it, Hidalgo. |
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Posted: May 04, 2006 - 11:45 AM
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So after 6 years someone posts "we are doing better then expected"on a site loaded with info you still feel the need to spend hours researching if there is any reason for this? Despite the claims of maarten that he takes his real hitcounts from the server statistics?
Not that my posts make any points. But I think you should realise your not the one who has been running the site for all those years. Its not critique, this is critique, its just trying to make a useless point on the wrong site.
I'm sure the others are smarter then me and just ignore you.
| perry_twin wrote: | | Well, to make a long story short, after registering you could see the memberlist, download count, weblinks hits, and so forth like you can here without registering. 25 members total. That's all they had and they had over a mil hitcount in a week. I'm guessing either they upped it themselves or they had a little help. Webmasters need to turn away from the style of my site has hundreds of hits so it's more popular than so and so's. |
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