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 Posted: Jun 15, 2005 - 05:09 PM
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Woooh..... 
Yes Evil Janus for pointig out those things, you of all people should have known the site was not finished or something!
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Posted: Jun 15, 2005 - 06:17 PM
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| AHHH! I'm pissing my pants here! |
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 - 09:20 PM
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| palacefree wrote: | 1: I'm not the webmaster,i am one of the tecks of Palacefree.
2: The Website is not finish
3: i have lot of work,so if in the future you have others suggests,you will can post in the Forum of Palacefree when it will be open.
4: i don't think that lot of users have a custon User agent like you, so it's not very important for the moment.
5: Thanks for your suggests and Good luck
Elvius, tech of Palacefree.com |
I can't seem to get on the thing either. My useragent is Firefox. My useragent looks just like Janus.
I tried operate on Linux too, doesn't work.
Why must you block linux users from site? Thanks. |
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 - 09:25 PM
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| palacefree wrote: | 1: I'm not the webmaster,i am one of the tecks of Palacefree.
2: The Website is not finish
3: i have lot of work,so if in the future you have others suggests,you will can post in the Forum of Palacefree when it will be open.
4: i don't think that lot of users have a custon User agent like you, so it's not very important for the moment.
5: Thanks for your suggests and Good luck
Elvius, tech of Palacefree.com |
Actually, I'm using MEPIS Linux and I can't get in either.
I've tried Opera, Mozilla, Firefox, Lynx, and Galeon under linux. They all work fine if you spoof the user agent, but if you use the real useragent it is blocked.
"i don't think that lot of users have a custon User agent like you, so it's not very important for the moment."
Something around Eighteen million people use Linux for their home desktop. These numbers do not account for server installations, FreeBSD, Unix, Unixware, Digital Unix, Caldera, or other forms of Unix-like operating systems.
I think you should really consider the amount of people you're blocking from your site. It's more than you think.
Also, Mac users are probably blocked too. There's another couple of million.
We're not talking about a "custom" user agent, these are the standard user agents for browsers under the Linux operating system.
To show how popular the Linux operating system is (and that you shouldn't block such systems from accessing your webpage) is an example.
| Code: | HTTP/1.1 302
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 02:32:21 GMT
Server: Apache
Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0, pre-check=0
Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT
Pragma: no-cache
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.11
Set-Cookie: PHPSESSID=20bad107031209a768daf61d0b6eb3d8; path=/
Location: http://www.palacefree.com/
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html |
Do you want to know what that is? That's the HTTP headers to your server. I can (almost) tell which OS you're running on the server by these headers.
It says apache, and i see PHP 4.3 is installed, sounds like a Linux or Unix based server to me. So, you if you were on the linux box hosting your website directly and tried to access the site, the box would be locked out of itself!
Yeah, I'd say you should loosen up and let the Linux OS have access to your site. There's just too many users out there to just stand up and say "go away" and ignore them.
-- As for bots --
It's a pain for browsers to 'fake' their user agent just so they can access your site. It usually requires a plugin, or some sort of painful modification to the browser.
On the OTHER hand... bots usually have no problem at all changing their useragent. Most have the ability built-in! The wget bot can spoof it's useragent with the --user-agent=AGENT flag added to the command. Web browsers just don't have this ability.
If you're afraid of bots, rather than making a bad attempt at blocking them out, you should just secure your site. (Enable a captcha validation or email validation for forum signups, to prevent signup floods) (Put a blank index.html file in directorys that would otherwise show a directory listing to prevent your files from being leached) etc...
Never make it hard for users to gain access to your site in the name of security. Rather.. secure the website in question so you don't have to worry about it.
--- And now for an analogy ---
This is like if you owned a bar and wanted to become the biggest hit in town. Problem is, you don't want bacteria or mold to be able to get in your bar.
You decide to build a 50 foot chain link fence around the bar.
"OHh, well any customers who wanna get in can just climb over the fence." You say
Well, your logic is flawed in this scenario because air bourne bacteria will just float through the holes in the fence, while your customers can't get in as easily as the bacteria.
In the end, you have more bacteria (bots) getting around your bar then you do people/customers!
Bad way to keep a business going!
Crappy anology, I've had better ones, but it's just some friendly advice.
In the end, the bots will get in, and potential customers will be left out.
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Posted: Jun 18, 2005 - 06:42 AM
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......looks like someone had a day off lol
Actually its all a lot simpler:
The site is not finished and some over paranoid webmaster installed a bunch of stuff without knowing what he/she was doing
This is the first time this site is online an asuming half of the people who come are unwanted anyway is a bit st000pid. So its probly all one BIG MISTAKE! A bit like IBM hiring some small company to make them a OS... |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2005 - 07:37 AM
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Tell me if it's ok now
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Posted: Jun 18, 2005 - 08:49 AM
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Ok so:
I tested with Firefox and User Agent Switcher.
the User Agent: 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; MEPIS 3.3 Debian GNU Linux i686 2.6.10; en-US) Gecko/Firefox/1.0.4 (palacecommunity.com)'
And the Users Agents Linux ... work now.
Thanks
Elvius Tech of Palacefree |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2005 - 01:14 PM
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| Yeah that's excellent. Many thanks *tips hat* |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2005 - 01:15 PM
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| maarten wrote: | ......looks like someone had a day off lol
Actually its all a lot simpler:
The site is not finished and some over paranoid webmaster installed a bunch of stuff without knowing what he/she was doing
This is the first time this site is online an asuming half of the people who come are unwanted anyway is a bit st000pid. So its probly all one BIG MISTAKE! A bit like IBM hiring some small company to make them a OS... |
*guffaw* That was very well put  |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2005 - 06:56 PM
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| palacefree wrote: | Ok so:
I tested with Firefox and User Agent Switcher.
the User Agent: 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; MEPIS 3.3 Debian GNU Linux i686 2.6.10; en-US) Gecko/Firefox/1.0.4 (palacecommunity.com)'
And the Users Agents Linux ... work now.
Thanks
Elvius Tech of Palacefree |
It works for me now too. Good work. |
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