So how should an event like this be organised, an old idea I send to a group of peope that organised such an event:

Create groups that organise themselves depending on theme, hosts, country / continent. Make quarter groups, a couple of people that make sure a block of 8 hours is up to standards / up to speed.

Write up a little storyline and let them freak out on it with little clues and user participation instead of just a 24 hour slide show. Make sure the groups organise themselves and have a few deadlines for planning and linking up.

Off course the main problem is: you are relying on the users to make it happen but then again: you always are.

this way there is no inhuman pressure on anyone and it will probably be more fun and diverse.

I also think people who take a certain role or responsebility should either stick to it or handover the keys if they decide not to play anymore. Holding a event / community resource hostage sucks because it pretty much gives nobody the chance to make something happen.

I remember in 2002 XXX didn't do anything until it was pretty much to late and everybody flipped. The only thing XXXX should have done was give someone else the ability to work on the stuff we though was needed and people would have been happy and on time.

Don't want to play anymore? Give the keys back to the community and let them play :)

Sounds like a plan, so who should run this and where do we start?

WEll the community should run it obviously. Because if you leave it in the hands of a single person they do have the bad habit of running of without a word.

Thats also why there is an open invitation to anyone to help run this website. Sadly nobody has stepped foreward, a lot of people would like to "own" the site but a few have actually tried to help run it.

Perhaps a problem that sites like palacetool and thepalace.com run into as well.

But we are all the community?!? So whatss wrong with us?

Ok.. 'our' 2 cents - move it to sometime in Spring :-)

Perhaps the community should come together to decide on a more convenient time for the old traditions like the Hop. Such a tradition was always a blast when everyone in the community worked together. Perhaps a Mayday/Spring Hop when people aren't so frantic about the upcoming holidays and the stresses that come with the planning involved in their real lives.
Perhaps, then some would relish the challenge of coming up with vivid imaginative ideas for a really entertaining enjoyable Friday/Saturday event so that every community member Worldwide could participate and relive and revive the traditions of the past that seem to have been sadly forgotten or over-controlled to the point of strangulation or stagnation.

I am thinking some more here. Please everyone contribute your ideas. Perhaps if we were to set a date in May for a Spring/Mayday hop, we could start coming together in January for planning. So that there would be plenty of time ( 5 months) to plan organize, advertize, and gather the community and do everything that is necessary to allow such an endeavor to succeed.

I'm with you there Dauph. May seems good as does 5 months lead time :-D

I think thats a great idea Dauphin, and with more people it should be pretty easy to set it up.

Now all we need is to get more people joining in, when we have enought people who want to help build we can get some ideas going.

Sounds superb to me!! This was always a very stressful time of year to have it and just cause Wizzard started it then we kept on doing !! I understood it was to be in December??? It isnt happening?? I got fired last year after all those years haha cause I hadnt stayed in touch all ear and I was always the one that started in about it in July cause it always took that long to build a fire under some people about it--we had voted one year to NEVER have it in December after that one year--mostly due to animations for the Holiday and too much going on---but I got ignored when I screamed and hollered about it so left the group --obviously so di many others hahaha--also many are no longer palacing--Miss P used to keep it all together for us but she seems to have stepped back and whoever ran it tha last 2 years just didnt get ot together--otherwise how couild some new worker call me on the mat after 10 years?? I never got that part-but oh well hahaha-anyway--as Maart knows--he and I were once on the staff for it and we both had to walk away or go mad haha--so here we go volunteering again hahaha

Ideally, what I would like to suggest is that we focus less on the past and more on the future of the community and moving it forward. Expansion will be a challenge, and as several of us have discussed, the community needs an infusion of new blood to bring it back to life. A well advertised, designed, and organized event without the fussing and “politics” is needed.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, has to be willing to work together and allow people to express their ideas, even if they are not used. Tossing out ideas could generate others. When people start to feel they are not listened to or are unappreciated things can start to unravel. There are so many other chat clients out there it will be up to all of us as a community to come together and show those that join our ranks how enjoyable it can be, pique their curiosities, and foster them and encourage growth and knowledge. Melodrama and arguing amongst ourselves would only hinder advancement in our endeavors. It’s all about keeping a community together and finding ways to allow it to blossom and flourish within the best realms of possibility. We all would not be here if we did not enjoy something about Palace, it’s up to us all to make sure it continues on so that others may find out about and enjoy it as we do.

Very true Dauphine, we can only learn from the past and move on. This community has been to many islands sowly sinking into oblivian :)

A lot of new people still visit this community and I am pretty sure we will be here for at LEAST another 8 years so lets have some fun.

So at the moment I think we should get more people on / involved. You know spread the word this is happening and see who wants to join.

One thing I think could be helpfull is let all the Palace hosts know about this and see if they got any people around that want to help organise it.


Personally I think if we can groups of 3 Palaces to organise something among themselves it should work out pretty well.

The few events I organised in the past always had some storyline or theme and this usually helped people creating something fun.

Some sort of hunt or game where you collect things along the way with a 3 hour meeting point along the way could be fun. Having a 3 hour "get together" will give us 8 big meeting points.

A old plan was to split things up into time zones with local themes.

We sort of did this during the milennium HOP and perhaps if a group thats can cluster around a certain time zone can also decide on a theme for itself
you can have 8 self organised groups.

I hope this all makes sense, I think right now we just need a lot of people that think this is a cool idea.

So who's going to rattle the cages and gets all his friends to join us? :)

looks like you really impressed them, so much so nobody dares to answer lol!

Looks like this is a lost cause because now we got logan trying to run the HOP on his own and we all know he smokes way to much dope to pull that off without throwing another fit.

yeah I'm back!

yeah lets start some personal vendetta thing that always helped bringing the community together lol. Logan is a cool guy, leave the man alone he is doing what he thinks is best.

Would be great if both groups would work together on this at last. Nobody owns anything on Palace so no one can claim anything after all.

Lets stick to what we are here for: organising a global cross Palace event that should be politics FREE. No slander, suggestive comments about anyone, especially not my friends. :)

Sin City the palaces oldest palace would be happy to goto an all ages palace for the night of the event and host it here:)



Kristine

Great, and how would you like to be part of this?

Okay, I have returned for another post. I feel that I have to stress that we want this to be fun for everyone. If Logan is organizing a hop on his own or already has one set for this holiday season I support that decision and respect his right to do just that.
I still strongly believe that we can really put something together that is great fun for everyone. The key here is that we have to put aside any petty or small minded issues that we may have with anyone here. A few of us have said it over and over again, but we have to put the politics aside here. It doesn't matter which palace is the oldest or the newest or has the most visitors. We have to focus on the enjoyment of the people that participate and follow the quest we set up for them.
Old palaces or new palaces..it doesn't matter. If you wish to participate then jump in, offer your suggestions, get your palace ready to showcase a few of your brightest and best works of art.
As the holiday season draws to an end, I'll try to focus more getting us all drawn in on a more refined and definitive gameplan. Now, is an excellent time for us all to be working on ideas and brainstorming in our sparetime. It's the holiday season, enjoy your friends and families, just spare the community some time when you all can. Post your ideas in here and we'll sort through them and see what we can come up with.

Sin City the palaces oldest palace would be happy to goto an all ages palace for the night of the event and host it here:)



Kristine


Kristine, thank you for the offer to make your palace an all ages place the night of the event.
There is a lot of planning to be done and I'd like to extend the offer to everyone to join in on it all. Adult palace, alternative lifestyles, family oriented.....large or small palace. If you can handle the people that will come through and can come up with rooms in your palaces that are safe and suitable and accessible to visitors of all ages then you're welcome to toss your palaces names into the ring. If you don't have a palace of your own or would just like to be a part of the process....jump in. I cannot stress this enough, and I'm sure that I sound like a broken record sometimes, everyone needs take part in making this to make an event to remember.

Ok, Sounds good to me, I will volunteer my services, I have always been a glutton for punishment :-)

:hello sir:You are going to be SO popular lol.

But seriously, feel free to post how you think an event like this should work. What elements you expect to be included and how would you like to see it run / happen on the day / nite itself.


btw:
nice job on the profile!

one of my first cars was a honda aerodeck

Forum thread moved to new Forum: Palace Events. the Event announcement forum is now linked to the Calendar. So if you want events to be published on the Calendar you can post them in Events Announcements!
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Hi, Ok my views and ideas on this are as follows. I think that the event should be open to all palaces that are open 24 hours, and have a wiz or member available to greet visitors, and answer any questions. The event should be theme related, and to make it interesting, an avatar or part of an avatar should be hidden in each participating palace, in the event tour or event rooms. A simple theme related question would need to be answered to access the room where the avatar, or, part of an avatar is hidden. If the correct answer to the question is given, the participator would be moved to the room where the avatar is hidden, however, if the wrong answer is given, then the participator is moved either back to the beginning of the event, to start again, or moved to the next palace in the event. At the end of the event, the person with the most avatar pieces, or complete avatars is deemed to be the event winner. The winner could be offered a room of his/her choice, to be added to the palace of his/her choice. Because of the time involved in making a themed event, the best palace as judged by the event organisers, could be offered a gift of either a gift voucher or programme. ( This of course would have to be discussed and agreed by the organising team). I think there have been soooooo many events with nothing at the end to aim for, that people have lost interest, and need something to make them exciting and worthwhile making, and participating in. I will leave it at that for now, to see how it is thought over, before adding anymore. Cheers,
Pooch_1.

Nice one and I think your right: events with nothing at the end or no theme are a bit odd and boring. SO i think your right on the money so to speak.

To give a few examples of things we tried in the past:

In 2000 we had the millennium bug hunt: a tour across 12 Palaces where we did exactly what you suggested but with a twist: First you get prop A its a key to the first door, gives you a clue to get prop B its another key. You can now enter the second and third secret door. But if you don't have prop C you will be eaten by the millennium bug and end up at the gate :)

So your off to find prop C: Millennium bug spray.

This was a lot of fun to make as well as play.

Perhaps one of the things we can offer to the wining Palace is its own pimped Palace client with his/her Palace set as default Palace? Perhaps a nice pimped Instant Palace. Who knows.

Anyway, its cool you come up with this stuff because I always thought the big HOP events where just not very motivating for users.

By the way, we also did the Solidarity event: a complete war on CC the company that abandoned the Palace software. We invaded their head office to reclaim the software and the directory.

It begins with a nice speech from Callous Curmudgeon, then his trolls come out to turn everybody into beta babies. BUT... there is a hidden basement where you can find super hero props! Put them on and fight back! Solve the puzzles, find the hidden lair of evil Callous and blow up his borg mind. (this was a team effort, otherwise the first person coming in could blow him up long before anyone would see it lol)

Here are some screenshots:
The Old Gallery (http://www.palaceplanet.net/index.php?set_albumName=SolidarityWeekend&name=gallery&include=view_album.php&page=1)
The new but not working so great gallery (http://www.palaceplanet.net/forum/photoplog/index.php?n=376)

And check out the REginald Code Wake, its fun:

http://www.palaceplanet.net/wake/

Another thing we did years ago during the 24HOp was: INVADE!

2001: the dutch inavade!
(http://www.palaceplanet.net/index.php?set_albumName=album07&name=gallery&include=view_album.php)2002: Scotland invaded! (http://www.palaceplanet.net/index.php?set_albumName=album06&name=gallery&include=view_album.php)


The cool thing is: most of this was all pretty easy to do. If your building a new Palace just for an event, sure its a lot of work. but you need to work on the play element to make it fun. Well thats what I think anyway.


Anyway, thats to give some idea of what is possible and if you have a group big enough to help out its not that much work. People need to be free to play and set things up the way they could have some fun.

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I love palace wide events, and have always enjoyed being a part and touring among them.

My only part I do not like about them...

Is that I understand that we must protect all ages but at the same time and make the tour all age acceptable that I have no problem with....for adult only palaces in the past at least for the 24 hour hop tour the way I understood the rules that you had to make all adult content not accessible for the week that the tour was going on. This is not a problem for all age palaces but for many adult only palaces it is and have heard many adult palaces refuse to be involved just for this reason over the years. At first it wasn't a big problem for BTM there was just a couple tours we could shut down or a couple pics we could swap but after the one hop that we were able to be a part on and enjoyed we just grew to far and the art spread to wide that it would be to big of a job to shut down every area with Adult Content.

I think it would be a better option to make a Adult Disclaimer Gate of some sort instead of the other obvious and have heard from many Adult palaces over the years that felt the same. I know that I love my landing at BTM and it fits our palace sooo well but I would rather flip it out for a week or so rather than shutting down half of our palace. It just seems to me it would be easier and let the ones know that they may not wonder off the main path of the Palace Wide because it is not acceptable because there is Adult Content in that Palace.

I think in the end there would be a lot more Adult Palaces that would participate if they didn't have to shut down half of their palace that week to keep the Adult Sections Hidden.

Again just my 2 cents....

Well that is a very good point, and I would love to have more adult Palace involved. Especially if they are as creative and well put together as BTM

There is off course something slightly warped about rebuilding your Palace for a tour to show off a Palace you can't really show off because the actual Palace as it really is must be hidden.

Personally I always wondered what the point was of showing something made for that tour only. Then again it is what I did as well.
:hello sir:

I do have one question, but I have no practical experience with your particular problem so please forgive my ignorance.

- Have you ever used PatBuddy for this?
It lets you hide whole series of rooms at once, password protect and lock them etc.

You can make a tour version of your pat file and then just change it back the the original after.

I used it with Digital Exposure during the solidarity weekend. Hiding all my regular Palace rooms and found this effective enought. Then again there was no adult content.

Or is this being over simplistic?

:wacky:

To be honest when I think of a Palace event I don't think of strict rules but mutual decisions. The events I did in the past where open and free as long as the end result is the same the solution should not matter.

I think your suggestion of a disclaimer gate or a jump/gate with adult content warning should be effective. People who join the event will come for the event tours, anyone who wants to be a bad boy or bad girl will do so anyway. It is not like they can't go to BTM after the tour is finished.


P.S.

Checked out BTM again today, really like the consistency of your theming. Very well done and great use of elegant scripting. I have seen very few Palaces that where to carefully put together as this one.
(besides Digital Exposure (palace://digital-x.net)....lol shame it has fallen apart, it used to have a lot of the same element. :suspicious: )
:huh:

Funny sig! I guess your post also shows what a bit of determination and creativity can accomplish!

anyway, nuff self promoting and ass kissing back to the subject at hand hehe

Actually we did use Pat Buddy the one time that we were involved with 24 Hop but still it comes down to in a adult palace there is so much adult content that you end up hiding most of your palace and making it unaccessible to Adult users (which aggravates the adult users during that week also because regular users are used to the palace being put together one way and then they no longer can access your palace or find the rooms so it gets to be to big of a hassle.) Pat buddy did work at the time but it took a long time to do when we worked through it and back then we didn't have half of the tours that we do now.

I am all for trying to protect children from adult content just for adult palaces it is very hard for most of them to hide adult content.

At BTM on our tours anymore I can't even tell you which tours have adult content and which don't because some do and some don't. I can tell you the ones that are all adult content. We use some fantasy art that has some adult content that we consider just art but others would consider adult.

We have 34 tours and there is a mixture of adult stuff in probably 3/4 of them. It would be a nightmare to try to try to go through hide all of them. *Shudders at the nightmare of going through 34 tours to hide all the adult content*

I truly do think if you did a disclaimer/jump gate type thing you would get more Adult palaces we for one love doing public tours (as long as they are not holiday themed giggles in 5 years BTM has only done 1 holiday tour and that was Valentines so it was more a love tour.)

Thanks for your nice comments about BTM....we started with strict guidelines on how we wanted to build BTM 5 years ago with certain rules that we would not step away from and certain ways things had to be organized. In the 5 years since the guidelines have been improved but never changed.

Hey all, I have an adult palace and these all age events present no problem, this is why I said there should be someone there to meet and greet people. I normally put the age script in the disclaimer gate of our palace, so anyone wanting to go there, have to ask a wiz for the key to enter, for our regular members, I hide a door with a password in, so they don't have to bother waiting for a wiz. Simple solutions to simple problems lol.

To be practical: BTM said one of the problems was hiding your Palace for a week, regulars did not like this and Pooch had a working disclaimer gate.

I always think you can have it both ways, you should be able to have a disclaimer gate adult Palace with hidden content. And because this is a organized tour we are in control of the links, so it should be easy to setup a jump room with a disclaimer button for adult content and a opt-out alternative jumping to perhaps the next Palace in the tour for the too young?

This does mean a proper re-think of how to add any game elements. Lets say you get 24 Palaces involved, you can't expect people to visit all 24 so any game element should be doubled anyway.

When we did the desperate and dateless tour there was a simple setup: adult content and general audience link, everybody who joined in was an adult so that was easy.

So what are your thoughts on this? I can imagine adult Palace owners not being to happy with a skip option. Personally I would like to target a more mature audience anyway but on the other hand don't want to shut anyone out. But its not up to me :P

I like the General Audience/Adult Content Links.

I think personally it might actually get more people who are honest about which is which by using those. I think less kids are honest with the date script than we think. But it gives us some security of mind thinking that we are stopping some of the children from seeing some adult content and if that helps that is what matters. In the end no matter what there will be some people in the adult side that do not belong and nothing can be done about it. No matter what precautions are taken they always slip in. Kids are smarter and smarter every year. I am not saying kids are dishonest...just they are smart enough to get into places where they want to go if they want to go there. I slipped in places I wasn't suppose to be when I was a kid my little inquiring minds wanted to know what was behind the locked doors that I wasn't permitted behind....I regret doing it today because i know it was wrong but that doesn't help back then. (Sorry I am babbling)

The disclaimer gate/next palace links should be easy setup...we almost always setup one at BTM even if it isn't required when doing Public tours. Just for the fact in case some people aren't into Adult Content. Just need to decide what type of art work you want for the disclaimer. The hard part from what I hear is getting some of the adult palaces to actually put it in...but if the rules are strict and the tours are checked before hand and it is known that if they are not in they will be pulled then it shouldn't be a problem. When it gets relaxed is when it becomes a problem. As long as participants know that if the jump gate isn't there their work won't be seen they are usually very willing to put it in . In the end the palace owners know that it will get traffic into their palace so they want to do everything they can to get that done. As long as they know what needs to be done that is.

I like the General Audience/Adult Content Links.

I think personally it might actually get more people who are honest about which is which by using those. I think less kids are honest with the date script than we think. But it gives us some security of mind thinking that we are stopping some of the children from seeing some adult content and if that helps that is what matters.

Yeah I think we all know kids will get in if they want too. Personally I think its more a question of parental supervision on their side then of us putting up disclaimers. But thats a whole new discussion :P




I slipped in places I wasn't suppose to be when I was a kid my little inquiring minds wanted to know what was behind the locked doors that I wasn't permitted behind....I regret doing it today because i know it was wrong but that doesn't help back then. (Sorry I am babbling)

Lol well same here, and its only because we know the effects that we would like to prevent others from making those mistakes.... :twisted:

The disclaimer gate/next palace links should be easy setup...we almost always setup one at BTM even if it isn't required when doing Public tours.
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When it gets relaxed is when it becomes a problem. As long as participants know that if the jump gate isn't there their work won't be seen they are usually very willing to put it in .

Really? I'm surprised, I do know a lot of Palace owners don't really know what they are doing and try to put things off not to look to much like a n00b. But with proper tutorials it should be simple. I also think one of the major problems in the past events was time. The deadlines where to close together, I think 2 weeks before the event people should have things setup. There will be one week left for checking and making sure the games are setup properly.


In the end the palace owners know that it will get traffic into their palace so they want to do everything they can to get that done. As long as they know what needs to be done that is.

I'm sure if we decide to build something together based on mutual understanding and respect things should work out.

A good place to start is make a list of people needed to organize and let people sign up for certain functions. Get a group together to work on ideas for content, graphics, linking elements, game elements and general planning.

Perhaps we just have to set up a even forum for this with those elements? And anyone who wants to help run this can sign up to be a moderator, we have a calendar we can fill out with deadlines for submissions, tour checks etc.

I also think that a web page would be useful, to display the rules, list of contacts, palaces signed up to the event and a pic of the jump gate ( if one is decided on ), event buttons etc. I am willing to donate some of my personal web space for this and keep it updated, if needed, or, it may be better to use this site if there is available space.Or perhaps a link from here to mine. And yes, I also agree that we need to set up a working group, so that everyone knows what they are doing. ( This way the body family, somebody, nobody, anybody, everybody can sneak in and mess things up ).

Thanks for the offer.
But I think its better to keep it on Palace Planet. Here we can use the whole user system, it is easy to setup a moderated or private forum and redirect anyone as well. We have a user mail system for contacts and with the gallery for artwork and a file submission setup anyone can submit their ideas and work.

As long as it doesn't take more then 10GB we are safe :P

I do however think its is very important that all volunteers that help organize an event like this get access and permissions to moderate / administrate the tools we can use here.

Perhaps we should set up a forum for this and see who wants to help moderate / decide how to set it up?

Any volunteers and what are your requests / suggestions?

Personally I am for a semi open set up where people can read the general discussions.

What you guys / girls think?

No prob maarten, was just a thought, and yes it is better to keep it here. I am still willing to volunteer my services, and I agree that an open forum is best, that way people will see that we are serious about this event, and may even toss a few ideas of their own in, who knows? :-D

Well, as I have said, I will do as much as I can to help. I feel it's something worthwhile. I believe that keeping the brainstorming/discussion/center of operations based on one webspace is definitely for the best. Anyone/everyone that wants to toss ideas in should. It's a community event for a reason.

A suggested date Friday May 4th-Saturday May 5th? That's about 5 months away. Before any major holidays here in the area that I am in. That way the holidays cannot get in the way of things being accomplished.

Theme, yes, most definitely need a theme. Games are good the only thing that we need to keep in mind and I don't mind saying this because even though I have a good dialup connection not everyone that will want to be involved does. With different connections we also have to look at making sure the scripting involved with the games or what not are not so heavy that they lag out and kill the ones without the high speed connections.

Adult/alternative palace I'll say it again join join join. We all know that kids are smarter and smarter if they want in one they'll get in. I agree with Maart on the parental guidance deal. We can hash out the details and rules as we go but one thing is for sure they do need to be clear.

This is about fun but it needs to organized so that there isn't a bunch of chaos, mayhem, and feuding individuals. Let's make sure we get this framework built solidly so it does't fall down around our ears.

You know what? I think we can start planning the event, sounds to me like we got enough like minded people here, and I'm sure more will join in.

Beginning of May sounds good to me, 5th of May is a national holiday here: WWII Liberation day I guess would be the best translation for it.

But its on a Saturday so sounds to me like the perfect event day.
Now I guess the next simple question is: What to call the event?

Perhaps something like:

The Palace Event
Palace Around the World
Your Ok I'm ok! (just kidding... man like groovy!)
Chat me up Scotty (if we get a lot of adult Palaces joining in :))
Jump
The Palace Ride
Chat Run Chat

Ok I give up, you guys figure out a cool name lol

one last try:

world widePalace Jump

Springin up Palaces
Cinco de Mayo (the obvious no one could forget the date)
Spring Festival of Palaces (carnival like theme this could vary)

Laughs ok will definitely have to sleep on it to come up with some acceptable names but yes we definitely need to get the ground work laid. Five months could come and go quite quickly.

Because I felt we where getting stuck in a adult gate discussion and not moving on with the event itself I have split this up into several separate discussions. Please check out the sub-forum (http://www.palaceplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=54)to see where you can add your voice.

Some people have suggested this was turning into another hop, the answer is simple: we jump, but we definitely do NOT hop. Please don't use this to vent frustrations with other events, we have nothing to do with those and for a good reason.

After 4 pages of "this event is what we make it TOGETHER" it should be clear that: "this event is what we make it TOGETHER" I don't know any other way of putting this. And anyone suggesting otherwise is being very silly.

Don't see anyone representing your points of view? Well thats only because you didn't post them here yourself. The only thing that has been decided so far is:
- We want this to be FUN.
- We want this to be planned ahead so nobody runs out of time.
- This should represent the people and Palaces that have joined.


Don't think your specific issues are discussed here? You can let us know in the right thread or make a new one! Otherwise all I can do is invite you all to join in and make this happen!

To start with..I think we need to leave past problems and differences out of this event.

We are starting brand new and should not bring any old grievences along.

I think the May/Spring idea is great. Am all for it =))

Riverspirit To start with..I think we need to leave past problems and differences out of this event.
We are starting brand new and should not bring any old grievences along.

Hi Riverspirit you are right on that one, I totally agree with you.